Comments on: 4 Things Pastors Want in a Capital Campaign Consultant http://www.willmancini.com/2013/01/4-things-pastors-want-in-a-capital-campaign-consultant.html Clarity Evangelist and Author of Church Unique Sat, 04 May 2013 17:58:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Mark Brooks http://www.willmancini.com/2013/01/4-things-pastors-want-in-a-capital-campaign-consultant.html/comment-page-1#comment-4154 Mark Brooks Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:59:30 +0000 http://www.willmancini.com/?p=4135#comment-4154 Ok, here is my blog entitled, "4 Things Capital Campaign Consultants Want in a Pastor." http://thecharisgroup.org/2013/01/16/4-things-capital-campaign-consultants-want-in-a-pastor/ Ok, here is my blog entitled, “4 Things Capital Campaign Consultants Want in a Pastor.” http://thecharisgroup.org/2013/01/16/4-things-capital-campaign-consultants-want-in-a-pastor/

]]> By: 4 Things Capital Campaign Consultants Want in a Pastor http://www.willmancini.com/2013/01/4-things-pastors-want-in-a-capital-campaign-consultant.html/comment-page-1#comment-4153 4 Things Capital Campaign Consultants Want in a Pastor Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:58:14 +0000 http://www.willmancini.com/?p=4135#comment-4153 [...] on January 11th.  Several people sent me the link to the post.  You can find that post here http://www.willmancini.com/2013/01/4-things-pastors-want-in-a-capital-campaign-consultant.html  It was a good post and I don’t disagree with what he wrote.  I commented on his site by [...] [...] on January 11th.  Several people sent me the link to the post.  You can find that post here http://www.willmancini.com/2013/01/4-things-pastors-want-in-a-capital-campaign-consultant.html  It was a good post and I don’t disagree with what he wrote.  I commented on his site by [...]

]]> By: Will Mancini http://www.willmancini.com/2013/01/4-things-pastors-want-in-a-capital-campaign-consultant.html/comment-page-1#comment-4108 Will Mancini Mon, 14 Jan 2013 03:28:14 +0000 http://www.willmancini.com/?p=4135#comment-4108 Mark, Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I appreciate the question of whether its appropriate to apologize or not. It's was nice to learn a little bit more about Charis. I didn't know you guys were out there. Thank you again for stopping by the blog. I look forward to seeing what you write on the "reverse blog post" Mark,

Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I appreciate the question of whether its appropriate to apologize or not.

It’s was nice to learn a little bit more about Charis. I didn’t know you guys were out there. Thank you again for stopping by the blog. I look forward to seeing what you write on the “reverse blog post”

]]> By: Mark Brooks http://www.willmancini.com/2013/01/4-things-pastors-want-in-a-capital-campaign-consultant.html/comment-page-1#comment-4073 Mark Brooks Sat, 12 Jan 2013 12:04:55 +0000 http://www.willmancini.com/?p=4135#comment-4073 This is a great post and the discussion is much needed. I appreciate hearing what those that we are attempting to serve have to say. I have been in the stewardship field for almost fifteen years now after serving for twenty as a senior pastor. I started with what was once one of the major firms and then started my own company. Frankly our industry for years did a disservice to churches in the way we delivered, or did not deliver, or services. Is it appropriate to say I am sorry on behalf of all those that fleeced the church? I fear too many companies in the desire for profit forgot about the ministry side of what they were doing. I will say that I am seeing a drastic change among the companies with a much more focused approach to helping churches. I do think what you have laid out are the primary objections that I hear from churches. I would add to that the feeling that once the campaign is over they never see or hear from the consultant again. The other complaint which you state is the cookie cutter approach which basically just delivers a packaged program. Times have changed and the 1980 model campaign is gone. Yet many firms offer that as THE one and only way to do a campaign. Finally, let me say that I think there is some fault on both sides of this issue. It would be interesting to have a post entitled, "4 Things Your Consultant Wants in a Pastor." In fact you just gave me a blog idea... Mark Brooks This is a great post and the discussion is much needed. I appreciate hearing what those that we are attempting to serve have to say. I have been in the stewardship field for almost fifteen years now after serving for twenty as a senior pastor. I started with what was once one of the major firms and then started my own company.

Frankly our industry for years did a disservice to churches in the way we delivered, or did not deliver, or services. Is it appropriate to say I am sorry on behalf of all those that fleeced the church? I fear too many companies in the desire for profit forgot about the ministry side of what they were doing. I will say that I am seeing a drastic change among the companies with a much more focused approach to helping churches.

I do think what you have laid out are the primary objections that I hear from churches. I would add to that the feeling that once the campaign is over they never see or hear from the consultant again. The other complaint which you state is the cookie cutter approach which basically just delivers a packaged program. Times have changed and the 1980 model campaign is gone. Yet many firms offer that as THE one and only way to do a campaign.

Finally, let me say that I think there is some fault on both sides of this issue. It would be interesting to have a post entitled, “4 Things Your Consultant Wants in a Pastor.” In fact you just gave me a blog idea…
Mark Brooks

]]> By: Will Mancini http://www.willmancini.com/2013/01/4-things-pastors-want-in-a-capital-campaign-consultant.html/comment-page-1#comment-4061 Will Mancini Fri, 11 Jan 2013 22:29:36 +0000 http://www.willmancini.com/?p=4135#comment-4061 Thanks for you thoughts Walt. I like idea that a consultant should really get to know the staff. Thanks for you thoughts Walt. I like idea that a consultant should really get to know the staff.

]]> By: Walt Pitman http://www.willmancini.com/2013/01/4-things-pastors-want-in-a-capital-campaign-consultant.html/comment-page-1#comment-4054 Walt Pitman Fri, 11 Jan 2013 18:43:47 +0000 http://www.willmancini.com/?p=4135#comment-4054 I would add that I would look for someone who takes the time to get to know the strengths and weaknesses of the organization/staff. One that doesn't give a "canned program" no matter how successful in the past, but provides a truly custom strategy taking into account the strengths/weaknesses/best practices of this unique location. One that asks clarifying questions BEFORE providing answers (i.e. not what we can do for you without getting to know you). One that helps communicate the vision and helps transform it into compelling/irresistible vision. To be honest -- a combo approach of Auxano and a Capital Campaign Consultant would be best. I would add that I would look for someone who takes the time to get to know the strengths and weaknesses of the organization/staff. One that doesn’t give a “canned program” no matter how successful in the past, but provides a truly custom strategy taking into account the strengths/weaknesses/best practices of this unique location. One that asks clarifying questions BEFORE providing answers (i.e. not what we can do for you without getting to know you). One that helps communicate the vision and helps transform it into compelling/irresistible vision. To be honest — a combo approach of Auxano and a Capital Campaign Consultant would be best.

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